missfirefly
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Post by missfirefly on Oct 5, 2010 15:40:32 GMT -5
Already asked this on the Ginger board, but I'm wondering the same thing about Bee. No, this is not meant to be homophobic.
Is Brigitte straight, bi, or a (possibly closeted) lesbian?
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Post by lordhowl on Oct 5, 2010 17:36:26 GMT -5
Already asked this on the Ginger board, but I'm wondering the same thing about Bee. No, this is not meant to be homophobic. Is Brigitte straight, bi, or a (possibly closeted) lesbian? They're both straight. That's most of what made their friendship coming apart inevitable. Now, it might have been put back together after sexual maturity . . . but it needed to go through that shock. Now, I think if Brigitte were asked three years before events in the movie, and if she answered truthfully, I think she would have probably said that Ginger was the most the beautiful human being in the world. I really think she was that much in awe of her sister, but it wasn't sexual attraction. Moreover, I think if Ginger had survived, she probably would curved a little, but she would have called herself straight, and for the most part, she would have been correct. Why do I think this? Her need for her childhood relationship with Brigitte, and her happy memories of it.
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nat
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Post by nat on Oct 5, 2010 21:12:06 GMT -5
Bridget was defiantly gay for ginger. The way she looks at her ass while she's asleep. On top of lesbianism, she was totally incesty. *shudders*
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Post by missfirefly on Oct 6, 2010 15:33:46 GMT -5
I don't think the girls were sexually attracted to EACH OTHER. However, we can't rule out the possiblities either one or both might end up experimenting with their sexual identities. I can't explain why, but Ginger strikes me as the type who MIGHT be bisexual while Brigitte appears to have no or at least very little interest in sex.
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Post by lordhowl on Oct 6, 2010 17:30:42 GMT -5
I don't think the girls were sexually attracted to EACH OTHER. However, we can't rule out the possiblities either one or both might end up experimenting with their sexual identities. I can't explain why, but Ginger strikes me as the type who MIGHT be bisexual while Brigitte appears to have no or at least very little interest in sex. No, I don't think they were sexually attracted to each other either, but it's possible, especially as a child, to be impressed with a person's physical beauty and not be sexually attracted to them. Brigitte was just at her latency period at the opening of the film. I think she was still at the stage where anything sexual disgusted her. I think just a year earlier, Ginger would have been like that too. Now, with the werewolfism in the mix changing Ginger's sexuality, there were some very . . . weird sexual undercurrents. Ginger's suggestion that eating Trina's corpse would be as gross as fucking her: lesbian-necrophilia? Eww. That suggestion lying on top of Brigitte in the school hall that they "swap some juice," umm, lesbian incest? Then that absolutely, positively odd triangle between the sisters and Sam. That part becomes weirder as the sisters lap up Sam's blood as he's alive and healing between them. What was going on there? It gets stranger when you remember that they had a blood oath. So, was that renewing it? With Sam's blood between them? And remember, had he lived, he would have changed. So, what role would have have had in the "pack?"
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Post by Grim The Weird on Oct 6, 2010 22:13:19 GMT -5
they are sisteres end of the story. no gay atraction no nothing, just speculation.
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Post by lordhowl on Oct 6, 2010 23:29:54 GMT -5
they are sisteres end of the story. no gay atraction no nothing, just speculation. Grim, they don't put things in movies by accident. (Well, sometimes they make a mess of what they put in it, but that's something utterly different.) Every one of the scenes I named was supposed to increase horror, just by spicing it with little disturbing nuances. A horror story is supposed to show disturbing things, and ask disturbing questions. A werewolf story is suppose to be about our relationship with our uncontrolled animal sides, and GS especially is about adolescent urges, read sexual urges, gone awry. If sexual urges are not inhibited, isn't the universal fear that they would break down the barriers of gender and incest? Those scenes were meant to show that even those restraints were being put under stress within Ginger. Not destroyed, but strained. Karen Walton and John Fawcett had a long time to write GS. For those scenes, they knew what they were doing and took their time writing and rewriting them like that. I will add though, in partial agreement with you: I don't think the sisters would have been ever acted out or perhaps even thought consciously of it. Even altered by werewolfism, I think the inhibitions would win out, and keep them from any but the most indirect or undeliberate sexual expression with each other. I think both would have specifically stayed away from all lesbian innuendos. Which is why Ginger's remark about Trina was all the more shocking. Though as a "pack" I can see the two sister-wolves sharing Sam. Just sayin'. I think they "realistically" might have expressed their love for each other that way, or tried to. But the tension between asexual love and sexualized love, and what happens when the first is put under strain by the second . . . that's very interesting. Or the effort to save the former by trying to use the latter-- that's really interesting, too. My interpretation on the blood lapping scene, though, is open to conjecture. The other scenes I brought up, though, the dialog is clear, and they did work on that dialog a long time. Oh, and the sisters did have an odd triangle with Sam, but all due to Ginger, who was jealous of Sam over Brigitte, jealous of Brigitte over Sam, protective of Brigitte against Sam all at once, and equally pissed off from all of them.
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Post by nat on Oct 7, 2010 1:33:59 GMT -5
they are sisteres end of the story. no gay atraction no nothing, just speculation. It'd have been quite a different movie if they had been though.
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Post by 1ginger3 on Oct 7, 2010 15:42:42 GMT -5
No, I don't think they were sexually attracted to each other either, but it's possible, especially as a child, to be impressed with a person's physical beauty and not be sexually attracted to them. Brigitte was just at her latency period at the opening of the film. I think she was still at the stage where anything sexual disgusted her. I think just a year earlier, Ginger would have been like that too. Now, with the werewolfism in the mix changing Ginger's sexuality, there were some very . . . weird sexual undercurrents. Ginger's suggestion that eating Trina's corpse would be as gross as fucking her: lesbian-necrophilia? Eww. That suggestion lying on top of Brigitte in the school hall that they "swap some juice," umm, lesbian incest? Then that absolutely, positively odd triangle between the sisters and Sam. That part becomes weirder as the sisters lap up Sam's blood as he's alive and healing between them. What was going on there? It gets stranger when you remember that they had a blood oath. So, was that renewing it? With Sam's blood between them? And remember, had he lived, he would have changed. So, what role would have have had in the "pack?" I also don't think that they're sexually attracted to each other, just close to each other in a very "sisterly" way. I totally agree with the second thing, that Ginger was like B one year ago. The scene where B wonders how Ginger has changed with her taking drugs with guys and she said "something's definitely wrong with you" suggests that they thought and acted pretty much the same before. Lesbian-necrophilia? No, I think Ginger just wanted to express how disgusting it would be to eat her and so she just said the first thing which came to her mind and due to her puberty it has a sexual aspect. The juicy thing was probably based on the blood pact they had. Yeah the triangle was definitely existing and I agree, that it really would have been interesting to see how things would have turned out when all three where a pack. Hey, nice fanfic idea, btw. ^^ And in my opinion they were renewing the pact. B was already infected so both were theoretically werewolves and I think that this was the renewing of the pact for the future, their werewolf future. But another question comes to my mind: Remember GS2, where the therapist, Eleonor, noted "lesbian?" on Brigitte's file after she told her how she would change? How did Eleonor jump to this conclusion??? I mean, is it because she thought Bee wouldn't feel at ease in her own body or with herself or she would be in a phase of orientation? I always wondered about that...
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Post by lordhowl on Oct 7, 2010 16:35:20 GMT -5
Lesbian-necrophilia? No, I think Ginger just wanted to express how disgusting it would be to eat her and so she just said the first thing which came to her mind and due to her puberty it has a sexual aspect. The juicy thing was probably based on the blood pact they had. Well, it's a minor point here, but I tend to think the two had to have emphatically stayed away from any suggestion of lesbianism or lesbian jokes prior. Even without that conjecture, though, remember how the dialog went. Brigitte said, "If I wasn't here, would you eat her?" Now Brigitte was being sarcastic, she was trying to shock Ginger out of her inappropriately jovial mood. (In fact, a line that was cut from the scene had Brigitte saying "Ginger, what is so funny about this?") So, Brigitte is trying to shock her with images of cannibalism, basically. Instead of being shocked back into seriousness, Ginger tops Brigitte by coming back with humorous suggestions of lesbian necrophilia. Yeah the triangle was definitely existing and I agree, that it really would have been interesting to see how things would have turned out when all three where a pack. Hey, nice fanfic idea, btw. ^^ And in my opinion they were renewing the pact. B was already infected so both were theoretically werewolves and I think that this was the renewing of the pact for the future, their werewolf future. But it was Ginger's doing that time. She's the alpha wolf commanding Brigitte in that scene, until Brigitte gags on the blood. I mean, watch the scene: she crawls up to Sam, but by the time she reaches him, the expression she has is not sympathy, in fact, it hardly looks human. Then Ginger wolf growls, and immediately as though it's a command, Brigitte starts lapping up Sam's blood. Which means even transformed, Ginger is still trying, in her own monstrous way to save the bond. And . . . see my fanfic novel, The Feral Bond. It does touch upon this. www.fanfiction.net/s/5709622/1/Ginger_Snaps_The_Feral_BondBut another question comes to my mind: Remember GS2, where the therapist, Eleonor, noted "lesbian?" on Brigitte's file after she told her how she would change? How did Eleonor jump to this conclusion??? I mean, is it because she thought Bee wouldn't feel at ease in her own body or with herself or she would be in a phase of orientation? I always wondered about that... Unleashed was not nearly as well written as GS, but I thought Emily Perkins did a fantastic job in that scene acting her heart out with lines that needed at least one rewrite. I just thought it was a rather shallow joke, though a good one. I think it was because Brigitte showed so much rage and such a hopeless outlook.
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Post by 1ginger3 on Oct 8, 2010 16:07:43 GMT -5
Yeah, that could also be. Ginger just wanted to have the final say and tease Brigitte... I dunno about the deleted scenes they aren't on our DVD version. I never said, that B wanted to renew the pact by eating Sams blood. Ginger wolf made her do it of course, and as she refused doing it, the wolf killed Sam in return. Absolutely right, she even wanted to hold on to the pact after her transformation and she was still trying to command B.
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Post by lordhowl on Oct 8, 2010 16:17:59 GMT -5
Yeah, that could also be. Ginger just wanted to have the final say and tease Brigitte... I dunno about the deleted scenes they aren't on our DVD version. It wasn't in the deleted scenes, but it was in their rehearsals for the scene. Those are on youtube, as well as Katy & Emily's auditions. I never said, that B wanted to renew the pact by eating Sams blood. I want to clarify, I never thought you said this. I just wanted to emphasize it. Ginger wolf made her do it of course, and as she refused doing it, the wolf killed Sam in return. Absolutely right, she even wanted to hold on to the pact after her transformation and she was still trying to command B. I guess I never thought of it as Ginger wanting to still command Brigitte before. However, if the werewolfism actually gave her some unstable power to command Brigitte at that early stage of the infection, then it functioned to make werewolves form into packs, with the infecting werewolf being a superior to the one it infected. It means, really, of course Ginger would have been dominant, irrelevant to her dominance over Brigitte as a human. However, the important point is, she was still trying to repair the bond in a very twisted way, and was using Sam as an instrument to do it.
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Post by 1ginger3 on Oct 9, 2010 16:08:27 GMT -5
Oh, ok, then I'll look on youtube, thanks "Command" is maybe a word too harsh... Bee did what Ginger wanted, or did what Ginger did when they were human, voluntarily. So either B drank the blood because she tried to be like Ginger again or tried to adapt herself to her or as you said, Ginger somehow had power over her due to the transformation. So, generally speaking, the wolf who turned the others would be the alpha wolf and would have the power to command them. That would really be a new fact. And I think we're completely off topic now ^^ However, the important point is, she was still trying to repair the bond in a very twisted way, and was using Sam as an instrument to do it. Totally agreed!
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Post by lordhowl on Oct 9, 2010 17:31:17 GMT -5
Oh, ok, then I'll look on youtube, thanks Here: www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9_RSiuKR_wJust don't freak out when you see Emily Perkins' with short hair. lol And here one of the auditions, at least Katy's. www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fa4W75ywUh8&feature=related"Command" is maybe a word too harsh... Bee did what Ginger wanted, or did what Ginger did when they were human, voluntarily. So either B drank the blood because she tried to be like Ginger again or tried to adapt herself to her or as you said, Ginger somehow had power over her due to the transformation. So, generally speaking, the wolf who turned the others would be the alpha wolf and would have the power to command them. That would really be a new fact. And I think we're completely off topic now ^^ Yes we are. But if I could just hold this long enough to mention it: that's also in my fanfic novel, "Ginger Snaps: The Feral Bond." www.fanfiction.net/s/5709622/1/Ginger_Snaps_The_Feral_BondIt does bring an element similar to vampirism to werewolfism, then. Call it genetic modification. It really improves the species.
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Post by 1ginger3 on Oct 10, 2010 10:16:38 GMT -5
Thank you! There were really some scenes I didn't know until now... Don't worry, I already knew that Emily had actually short hair in GS 1 *loooool* Maybe you should change your sig in "The answer to all of your questions: My fanfic "The Feral Bond" Check it out!" xD It's really funny how you always make it to mention it, doesn't matter which topic it is *gg*
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Post by sophielovessam on Oct 19, 2010 13:54:03 GMT -5
I don't think Brigette had feelings like that towards anyone. Very, possibly Sam in the first one but he was killed before anything could develop. She only felt real love for her sister after all so anything sexual attraction to anyone doesn't seem too likely
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Post by lordhowl on Oct 19, 2010 17:55:17 GMT -5
I don't think Brigette had feelings like that towards anyone. Very, possibly Sam in the first one but he was killed before anything could develop. She only felt real love for her sister after all so anything sexual attraction to anyone doesn't seem too likely And I would agree with you. Brigitte still thought of friendships as a child would, and her sexuality had not awakened. Though it began to stir in her first couple scenes with Sam. It's striking in those scenes how she's afraid to look at him. Ahhh! Cooties! Didn't want the intensity!
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Post by lordhowl on Oct 19, 2010 19:00:03 GMT -5
Thank you! There were really some scenes I didn't know until now... Don't worry, I already knew that Emily had actually short hair in GS 1 *loooool* Maybe you should change your sig in "The answer to all of your questions: My fanfic "The Feral Bond" Check it out!" xD It's really funny how you always make it to mention it, doesn't matter which topic it is *gg* Well, the fanfic is now 112,000 words long. If you held it as a paperback, it would be about 280 pages, and it's not done yet. So, it does elaborate a lot about werewolfism in the GS universe, about the relationship between the sisters (Ginger IS in the story) building on what was in the original GS movie. Even right down to what the bird-skull necklaces are. So, you see, in writing the novel, I observed everything I could about the movie, and I've thought about it a lot-- and built upon it. And if you've been working as long and hard as I have been on it, it's difficult not to talk about. If I'm not going to make money off it ever, I at least want the recognition.
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Post by 1ginger3 on Oct 22, 2010 13:56:19 GMT -5
I would simply say: They love each other but they're not in love with each other... Something that came to my mind some days ago Well, the fanfic is now 112,000 words long. If you held it as a paperback, it would be about 280 pages, and it's not done yet. So, it does elaborate a lot about werewolfism in the GS universe, about the relationship between the sisters (Ginger IS in the story) building on what was in the original GS movie. Even right down to what the bird-skull necklaces are. So, you see, in writing the novel, I observed everything I could about the movie, and I've thought about it a lot-- and built upon it. And if you've been working as long and hard as I have been on it, it's difficult not to talk about. If I'm not going to make money off it ever, I at least want the recognition. Yeah, okay that is definitely comprehensible! It's really great that you took the time to observe the movie so detailed and that you also turned that into a written form so I can understand your effort to be recognized for it. I did mean no harm with my post, it was just kinda interesting that you can mention it in nearly every thread here, because there are a lot of themes you deal with in your story, I understand that now.
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Post by luzifer on Oct 31, 2011 9:03:09 GMT -5
I think both sisters are ase asexual.
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