missfirefly
Just Bit
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Post by missfirefly on Jul 23, 2010 13:58:44 GMT -5
I saw this question in the Ginger forum and thought it would be fair if Brigitte had one, too. So, in which movie do you most enjoy her role? Though the first Ginger Snaps is my favourite, I'd have to say I liked Brigitte the most in the sequel. It was nice to see her standing up for herself and becoming the heroine.
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Post by †Wicky Wicked† on Jul 23, 2010 14:01:53 GMT -5
I agree with you. Brigitte is more and individual in this movie, seperate from Ginger. She can stand up for herself and make her own decisions. She just seems more powerful in this movie.
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missfirefly
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Post by missfirefly on Jul 23, 2010 14:07:08 GMT -5
She does indeed seem more powerful. I was rooting for her throughout the whole movie. The poor girl didn't deserve such a terrible fate.
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Post by lordhowl on Jul 23, 2010 20:58:37 GMT -5
GS-- the original, easily.
I almost liked Brigitte's character best in Unleashed, but . . . I'm sorry. The decision to stay with Ghost when there were so many warning bells about the girl was just dumb. I lost too much respect then.
And I just did not like Unleashed enough.
I just thought the devotion Brigitte showed to Ginger in the first one was just so admirable. She goes down in the basement against a werewolf with nothing but a syringe in her hand-- literally to rescue Ginger from herself. She even faints, drops the syringe, and still continues because she heard Sam cry out. For pure bravery, it's hard to top that.
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missfirefly
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Post by missfirefly on Jul 26, 2010 8:56:07 GMT -5
I can't say I disagree with you on any of those points. Good response. ;D
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Post by sophielovessam on Jul 27, 2010 12:56:16 GMT -5
Well, my decision will always be one-sided simply because I like the first one best. But in the first one, she has no experience dealing with any of that stuff. And she pretty much was on her own (except for Sam). And also she was young in the first one. She was older and wiser in the second one, although I liked her in the second one.. I preffered her in the first.
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Post by epiklow on Jul 29, 2010 10:16:03 GMT -5
First one for me! In the first one we're just getting to know her. I always like that about movies In the second one, it's understandable that she's nice to Ghost, because B is a nice character. But the ending didn't do it for me. B could'a got out of the care centre without the help of Ghost. She didn't need to stay there. She could'a stolen the monkshood or just left and figured out a way to get more. I liked her in the third one, but I like her in the first one better. Hehe.
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Post by jesusonabicycle on Aug 28, 2010 17:48:40 GMT -5
Difficult for me to decide on this one. The sequel does provide the nice turn of Brigitte becoming the main lead and doing things on her own in her own individual way.
But, I think I have to go with the first. I do like seeing all the strengths and weaknesses of her character which seemed to be shown very well throughout the movie. Her love towards Ginger was touching, the struggle was epic, her transformation really began here rather than the 2nd film from following Ginger to splitting off towards her own path.
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Post by lordhowl on Aug 29, 2010 14:36:51 GMT -5
Difficult for me to decide on this one. The sequel does provide the nice turn of Brigitte becoming the main lead and doing things on her own in her own individual way. But, I think I have to go with the first. I do like seeing all the strengths and weaknesses of her character which seemed to be shown very well throughout the movie. Her love towards Ginger was touching, the struggle was epic, her transformation really began here rather than the 2nd film from following Ginger to splitting off towards her own path. I do have some issues with the sequel. For one thing, it was not about Brigitte splitting off toward her own path. If anything, she was forced, against her will, to follow Ginger's path (though, in fact, I don't think it was the path Ginger herself would have chosen). Now, her struggle against that is epic, but the point is, that what it's about, she still hasn't escaped her sister's psychological dominance. I thought Unleashed started out with a mind-blowing plot concept, and it had its moments, but unfortunately, I think it was a misfire. Hell, you could tell that by the novel I wrote basically taking the story idea and trying to do something better with it. Brigitte rebelled against Ginger and "followed her own path," but a the end, she's left crying over her sister's carcass. This wasn't really a "coming of age" story, this was a "loss of childhood" story. Suggestions to me were that Brigitte was hardly ready to follow her own path.
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Post by jesusonabicycle on Aug 29, 2010 17:57:44 GMT -5
Difficult for me to decide on this one. The sequel does provide the nice turn of Brigitte becoming the main lead and doing things on her own in her own individual way. But, I think I have to go with the first. I do like seeing all the strengths and weaknesses of her character which seemed to be shown very well throughout the movie. Her love towards Ginger was touching, the struggle was epic, her transformation really began here rather than the 2nd film from following Ginger to splitting off towards her own path. I do have some issues with the sequel. For one thing, it was not about Brigitte splitting off toward her own path. If anything, she was forced, against her will, to follow Ginger's path (though, in fact, I don't think it was the path Ginger herself would have chosen). Now, her struggle against that is epic, but the point is, that what it's about, she still hasn't escaped her sister's psychological dominance. I thought Unleashed started out with a mind-blowing plot concept, and it had its moments, but unfortunately, I think it was a misfire. Hell, you could tell that by the novel I wrote basically taking the story idea and trying to do something better with it. Brigitte rebelled against Ginger and "followed her own path," but a the end, she's left crying over her sister's carcass. This wasn't really a "coming of age" story, this was a "loss of childhood" story. Suggestions to me were that Brigitte was hardly ready to follow her own path. I don't know. I do feel that she was starting to have an opinion that went against Ginger's and her original following of her. It may not be a coming of age story per se but Brigitte was having a subtle transformation of what she was to something new. That can be seen in her reluctance to put her palm up to Ginger's at the start of the first movie. This progression continued and more or less was evolved into something stronger when Ginger was changing which was a catalyst to Brigitte gaining more inner strength. They definitely did have a loss of childhood, or in a better sense a damaging one because something like that would result in their view of the world around them. I do believe that Brigitte fought the curse in a different way Ginger would have if she had the same advantages (knowing and understanding what was happening to her and having monkshood to halt the change for a while). So she would be doing this in her own individual way. Like you said, she did rebel and this is her taking a different course of action than she usually would. So she is taking a path that is her own, one in which she made up with her mind. She is crying over the carcass because Ginger was her pillar of strength and Brigitte was the same for Ginger. They always had each other to rely on, sisters who really only hung out with each other and were closer together than anything else. That sort of bond is just unbelievably strong. So, of course when Ginger is dead it is going to take some serious effect with Brigitte, because they aren't "Together forever". If Brigitte were to be in Ginger's place, I bet Ginger would be having hallucinations as well. They might not be the same, but there would still be the effect. Brigitte may have not been ready to move on and go on her own, but she did, and she tried to fight the werewolfism. (I'd expect Ginger to do the same, but in a different manner though like you feel)
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Post by lordhowl on Aug 30, 2010 1:02:16 GMT -5
jesusonabicycle"It may not be a coming of age story per se but Brigitte was having a subtle transformation of what she was to something new. That can be seen in her reluctance to put her palm up to Ginger's at the start of the first movie." LH: Did you notice that the "argument" implied when Brigitte paused in clasping Ginger's hand was settled with the last two lines of the movie? Knowing that suicide was on Ginger's mind, she might have cried out then "I'm not dying in this room with you! I'm not dying!" Just to underscore that, the framing for the final shot was the very same as for their "clasp." JOAB: "They definitely did have a loss of childhood, or in a better sense a damaging one because something like that would result in their view of the world around them." This is a little unclear, but just to clarify what I meant: I was not referring to the "loss of childhood" prior to the beginning of GS; I was referring to the "loss of childhood" during the story, the loss of Brigitte's childhood. Ginger's is a whole other tragedy, she's tragic in the classical sense of it, a character with a tragic flaw. It's one of the few horror movies I've scene that actual succeeds in classical tragedy. But Ginger Snaps is actually about Brigitte, and how she lost her childhood without a "coming of age." I don't think it was deliberate, but I think the screenwriter Karen Walton created the first "loss of childhood" tragedy in horror. JOAB: "Like you said, she did rebel and this is her taking a different course of action than she usually would. So she is taking a path that is her own, one in which she made up with her mind. She is crying over the carcass because Ginger was her pillar of strength and Brigitte was the same for Ginger. They always had each other to rely on, sisters who really only hung out with each other and were closer together than anything else. That sort of bond is just unbelievably strong. So, of course when Ginger is dead it is going to take some serious effect with Brigitte, because they aren't "Together forever". If Brigitte were to be in Ginger's place, I bet Ginger would be having hallucinations as well. They might not be the same, but there would still be the effect. Brigitte may have not been ready to move on and go on her own, but she did, and she tried to fight the werewolfism. (I'd expect Ginger to do the same, but in a different manner though like you feel)" LH: What I said was a little unclear. I have some issues with Unleashed, but Brigitte not splitting off onto her own path was not one of the issues. How could she in a sequel? The in Ginger Snaps leaves her bereft, defeated, and broken on the rocks. So, how could she be ready to live her "own" life? That's what I call a "loss of childhood" story, which is the dark side of the old "coming of age" story. A loss of childhood story describes a trauma or tragedy that prevents the person from becoming a functional adult. The fact is, yes, Brigitte had begun to think for herself, and she had stepped out of her sister's shadow, the problem is, it all ended so badly. Her first great, adult effort failed, but in fact, she was in over her head. Now, Unleashed really had only one theme it could work on, GS wasn't made for sequels and it didn't leave too many options. Where Ginger Snaps I dealt with an adolescence that went awry resulting in a "loss of childhood" for Brigitte and death for Ginger, a sequel could have only followed up with a nightmare about trauma and loss, and probably the effects of abuse (when somebody you love turns monstrous). It had all the ingredients to do this. Unfortunately, I think they shrank back from where it would have led. The spread of trauma and its greater results. I mean, there Brigitte was locked up with other girls whose adolescences had gone awry. I think it was leading to something too scary.
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