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Post by lordhowl on Mar 21, 2010 21:19:45 GMT -5
Okay, something has been driving me nuts for the last two days. (I might be a bit too fixated on the film due to my writing the story.) Maybe I just do not know enough about graphic arts to figure this out.
Can anybody tell me or conjecture in any way on a certain icon in the background that changes with these two shots?
As we already know, the last shot of the movie echoes and is in contrast to a much earlier shot in the film. Directors do not put things like that in haphazardly. So, the icons in the background are of some importance here.
I'm having trouble getting the screen shots up here, which is an annoyance. Something about the images being copyrighted. Anyway, the first shot is in the sister's first scene together. They clasp their hands. And the camera backs away as Ginger says "Us dead will be the shit Bee, trust me."
In that shot, what is that shape behind their hands formed by the pictures in the background? Or, what would it mean to you?
Now, look at the very last shot of the film, just before it fades to black. The shape on the wall is far different. There's a shadow "tunnel" leading up from it to the window curtain, which has sagged in an odd way. That shape almost looks like a TV with speakers behind it to me, in which case, I have no idea what it's supposed to mean and I'll probably waste my lifetime trying to put it together. However, maybe it isn't that, maybe there's an iconography I'm just not recognizing.
Again, I apologize for not putting the pictures up. If directing you to the movie is not sufficient, please suggest a photo posting site that, at least temporarily, doesn't check copyright. Or perhaps I'm just to tired to figure that out.
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Post by lordhowl on Mar 27, 2010 10:30:31 GMT -5
Okay, let me try to clarify. At the end of the first scene that the sisters are together, we have this first shot, which everybody is familiar with: Let's call it, "the clasp." My question is, that shape on the wall behind their hands, what does it mean to you? How about the rest of the icons in the shot. The pillars of light at the top? The candles, the clock, whatever that is behind the clock, (phallic symbol) and the two crosses? Directors do not put important shots like this together without a purpose. The word "forever" is right above their hands, BTW. Now, how about the final shot? What is that shape in the background, now? Any guesses as to what it is or what it means? Also consider the dark path leading up and to the left into the curtains, which have also changed. Also, the crosses over each of their beds have changed. In the first scene, Brigitte's is noticeably higher than Ginger's. Now they are either equal or Ginger's is slightly higher than Brigitte's. I doubt that this is a consistency error, because both of these were key shots. So, what does everyone make of this? How would you interpret it? I'm really curious on what you have to say about that shape over Brigitte.
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nat
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Post by nat on Mar 31, 2010 15:50:21 GMT -5
I think this is pushing it a bit. I think we're looking for something not there.
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Post by lordhowl on Mar 31, 2010 17:37:17 GMT -5
I think this is pushing it a bit. I think we're looking for something not there. No, I'm not, Nat. Have a look at this site: www.collativelearning.com/FILMS%20reviews%20BY%20ROB%20AGER.htmlPay close attention to the analysis of "The Thing." But his analyses, especially of "The Shining," I swear will blow your mind. I think he read far too much into that, but if half of what he says is correct, "The Shining" is a far more surprising film than you would ever suspect. And there's a reason why it's so different from the novel. I'm not saying he's correct, but some directors, like Kubrick, tend to put more into movies and more in a shot, than you think. Since GS was a horror movie with a theme, and the director was doing something original, I expect there to be somewhat more in the visual element of the film. Now, it's possible to fish too much out of a frame, but in this case, I really think I probably haven't yet. The director centered those shots on that shape, and they don't hire directors of photography for nothing. Those are key shots in the movie, ones that he wants people to remember. In the first shot, their clasped hands are right below the word "forever." Nat, you're insane if you think they did that by accident. It might be simple: it might be only that the opening shot shows Ginger's side of the background shape crumbling off. Her cross is lower than Brigitte's. The candles in the background go in descending order to Ginger's side. The entire shot is imbalanced slightly to Ginger's side. The ending shape might just simply show that the bond is ashes. I mean, that might be all that's indicated. That might just be a burned version of the shape we saw in the beginning. But that's why I ask. Is that all everyone sees?
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