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Post by lordhowl on Jan 28, 2010 11:10:24 GMT -5
GS seems to be a movie that wasn't written to have sequels. I mean, the end is very final. Ginger is dead. Brigitte is still alive, but the series will always bear Ginger's name, so you then must have her. Also, to somehow resurrect Ginger just cheapens the emotional impact of the ending. That was an ending that really played on the finality of Ginger's death.
But then there's the problem of not making sequels. A movie is, after all, only 2 hours long. That's a very small universe to escape into. It gets claustrophobic quick. Once you love the characters in an universe where something fantastical happens, you want to learn more and know more, constantly. And you end up loving the characters. You could replay the movie infinitely, but there's only so many times you can press the same buttons.
Anything else I write would get into the nature of escapism, and that definitely doesn't belong on a fan site.
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Post by Boehlke on Jan 30, 2010 19:24:54 GMT -5
Tjah.. Well. Yes, there is problems with sequels, and this problems becomes very evident in movies with endings so final as it where in Ginger Snaps.
I for one think Ginger Snaps: Unleashed was a very daft name for the sequel. As you say, the first one was named Ginger Snaps, thus they had to keep Ginger in it. I don't think that was a good idea. They should have named it Brigitte Snaps, even though you might argue that it would also be a stupid name. In the sequel Brigitte is the one that snaps.
There is probably 10 good ways to "resurrect" Ginger so that she would play a bigger part in the second movie, but then again it is probably 100 bad ways to "resurrect" Ginger also. At this level of discussion it gets personal though. I think their way was one of the 100 bad choices they could have chosen.
A part of me holds the no-good-ending thing GS has going dear, yet I am no masochist, and would prefer a "good" ending, at least to the sequel. Don't ask me how though. I have probably stated a few times before that I think the sequel was the weakest of the three, and that might be due to the lack of closure. A sequel should have some kind of closure, the closure in the sequel is not enough. There's a lot of ways things could go after the movie ended.
I'm glad they chose to make a sequel. If it had just been the 1 movie... Well, somehow i doubt all the fuzz would be as great as it is.
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Post by lordhowl on Jan 31, 2010 0:05:35 GMT -5
Tjah.. Well. Yes, there is problems with sequels, and this problems becomes very evident in movies with endings so final as it where in Ginger Snaps. I for one think Ginger Snaps: Unleashed was a very daft name for the sequel. As you say, the first one was named Ginger Snaps, thus they had to keep Ginger in it. I don't think that was a good idea. They should have named it Brigitte Snaps, even though you might argue that it would also be a stupid name. In the sequel Brigitte is the one that snaps. I agree with you here. What I mean is, the series will always be called Ginger Snaps, and Ginger was such a good character and so well played that if they didn't have Ginger in it some way, the audience would want to sue them. The bad thing about the title "Unleashed" is that it can't be applied to anything in the movie, unlike Ginger Snaps. I mean, the werewolf in Brigitte doesn't get unleashed. Brigitte doesn't get unleashed, no just the opposite. She gets locked up-- twice. And then werewolf she turns into locked up, no unleashing there. It doesn't work anywhere in the movie. Funny thing is, Unleashed title sounds cool, but it really mocks the movie it names, whereas I thought Ginger Snaps sounded totally wrong for a horror movie, and it led to me almost overlooking this little masterpiece, but it is very strong considering the characters and themes in it. I think the problem with it was a lack of commitment to the idea that they had. Ginger comes back, but it's almost like her part is in there partially as contractual obligation and partially as (movie) trailer-bait. Her presence seems to be totally a sop to the audience. I mean, does she even have twenty lines in the movie? And most of them are sleepy commentary. At the end of the Unleashed, they were trying to leave that open to further sequels, which haven't materialized because Unleashed bombed. That's why there was no closure. The Senior Producer, Steven Hoban, who's in charge of whether there are any sequels, has said he would favor having them go forward with the character of "Ghost." Unfortunately, that's the entire reason why Ghost was ever in there. Emotionally, there wasn't the closure that there was in GS1. That's because by the time GS1 ended, you were emotionally attached to Brigitte, and that was one of the most emotionally detaching endings imaginable. It would have been better if they had aimed higher, but that would have taken longer, and I could see where they thought they didn't have the time. I mean, with all the delays and trouble they had getting GS made. BTW, I've made a total rewrite on the plot concept of "Unleashed." I call it "The Feral Pact." It's first chapter goes up on fanfiction.net either tonight or tomorrow. I actually wrote it as a practice script, but I'm adapting into a story chapter by chapter. It is true that sequels will energize the fans, even if they aren't that good.
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Post by nat on Jan 31, 2010 0:28:34 GMT -5
I'm looking forward to reading your story in ... well... story, form.
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Post by Zack Flak on Jan 31, 2010 6:46:14 GMT -5
I agree with pretty much all that was said here, but I am still really glad that the sequel was made. Unleashed is my favorite of the trilogy. Partly because of my attachment to it's star (Emily is the best ever! Yay!) but also because something, I'm not even sure what it was, but something just really spoke to me about it. I don't know if it was the acting, set design, lighting, etc. but something just left me feeling like I had seen the best thing ever put on film.
I love the first one, of course. The story and acting were amazing and that ending hit me like a truck. One of the best endings (in terms of it's emotional impact) I have ever seen. Plus, without it there would be no sequel.
I'm rambling now, I'll stop. I guess what I'm saying is, for all it's little flaws, GS2 remains my favorite movie of all time.
Oh, and Brigitte Snaps would not really have worked since, unlike Ginger, B managed to keep control of herself and didn't snap. Unless you count when she snapped the piece of wood over her knee. lol
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Post by Boehlke on Jan 31, 2010 7:03:06 GMT -5
True, I feel ripped off. Double true. It does sound cool, but it is sad that that is it. Ginger Snaps might not be the best name ever invented, but I find it rather humorous. Cookie! Yes, this is a problem. I was a tad bit disappointed after seeing the movie the first time, that Ginger had so little impact in the movie, shame. She was my favorite character. Ahh, yes. I remember this. Not the wisest decision, to leave it open like that because they had another movie in mind. Because of this the whole thing seemed a little half-hearted. And if there was to be another movie... A movie about Ghost, I actually doubt I'd ever want to see it. I did not like the character, even though someone here made me tolerate her part in Unleashed. They probably should have aimed higher, yes. That is evident. If you are going to do something, do it right. Sounds cool. Looking forward to read it.
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Post by nat on Jan 31, 2010 7:03:12 GMT -5
That's true. They could have called it Ginger Snaps 2: Brigitte Almost Snaps, But Not Quite.
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Post by Boehlke on Jan 31, 2010 7:05:52 GMT -5
That's true. They could have called it Ginger Snaps 2: Brigitte Almost Snaps, But Not Quite.Hahahahaha! Oddly enough, I'd actually pay to see that one
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Post by nat on Jan 31, 2010 7:08:22 GMT -5
My forming hypothesis is that people will see long titled movies regardless of content, to appear sophisticated. ( or maybe it's just me )
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Post by Boehlke on Jan 31, 2010 7:16:19 GMT -5
My forming hypothesis is that people will see long titled movies regardless of content, to appear sophisticated. ( or maybe it's just me ) I think that might be just you. Would you go buy a movie named " Do not see this movie, it is the worst movie ever made. If you by any chance see this movie, expect to become dumber"? Ginger Snaps 2: Brigitte Snaps a twig. That would be a cool name for a parody of the Ginger Snaps movies. Double so if it would starr all the original actors. hah!
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Post by lordhowl on Jan 31, 2010 22:11:51 GMT -5
I agree with pretty much all that was said here, but I am still really glad that the sequel was made. Unleashed is my favorite of the trilogy. Partly because of my attachment to it's star (Emily is the best ever! Yay!) but also because something, I'm not even sure what it was, but something just really spoke to me about it. I don't know if it was the acting, set design, lighting, etc. but something just left me feeling like I had seen the best thing ever put on film. I love the first one, of course. The story and acting were amazing and that ending hit me like a truck. One of the best endings (in terms of it's emotional impact) I have ever seen. Plus, without it there would be no sequel. I'm rambling now, I'll stop. I guess what I'm saying is, for all it's little flaws, GS2 remains my favorite movie of all time. Oh, and Brigitte Snaps would not really have worked since, unlike Ginger, B managed to keep control of herself and didn't snap. Unless you count when she snapped the piece of wood over her knee. lol GS2 is a movie that had a mind-blowing plot concept, and had they done it right, it would have been the perfect way to follow GS. I loved: the mind-blowing concept, Emily Perkins phenomenal performance, the beginning, the music and the atmosphere. I hated the dialog and the idiot plot it turned into to introduce Ghost and make her an principle character. Emily Perkins practically carries the entire first half of the movie without really much help from the dialog. How many actresses can do that? That's something you expect maybe from Meryl Streep.
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Post by nat on Jan 31, 2010 22:20:45 GMT -5
My forming hypothesis is that people will see long titled movies regardless of content, to appear sophisticated. ( or maybe it's just me ) I think that might be just you. Would you go buy a movie named " Do not see this movie, it is the worst movie ever made. If you by any chance see this movie, expect to become dumber"? But... it's got a long title... how can it not be good?
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Post by lordhowl on Jan 31, 2010 23:23:44 GMT -5
lol My dyslexia! I thought you wrote "long-tilted movies," and took a completely different meaning from what you wrote. I thought you meant a series that had long been ruined by the sprequels and maybe badly requires a reboot. Like Star Wars were "tilted" after Phantom Menace. So, the meaning I got was that there are people who would see these anyway just to keep up with what the rest of the fans are doing.
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Post by nat on Jan 31, 2010 23:38:16 GMT -5
I was suggesting (actually more hoping) that people see long titled movies to looks smart and sophisticated.
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Post by lordhowl on Feb 1, 2010 0:57:18 GMT -5
That's another thing about GS: it's funny. They actually had a mind-blowing idea, because if there was one thing that was open at the end of GS, it was how Brigitte could possibly recover from the trauma and loss she had suffered. I mean she lost everything. So I like where they went with it: to a psychiatric facility. And there she has all the markings of a traumatized, disturbed teen. Drug use, self-mutilation, isolation. Metaphorically speaking, the breaking of the bond had wounded Brigitte. So, that was a good place to start. They could used werewolfism there as a metaphor for mental illness, and it could have also been an expression of her anger at Ginger, at losing Ginger and her guilt over not being able to save her or Sam, and over stabbing her at the end (when the syringe was in her other hand!) But, they didn't hire the talent to bring that off. Instead of Karen Walton, they hired another first-time scriptwriter, who has since had no other credits, and this time she didn't have four years to work on it nor any commitment to the characters. Not that I blame them for this, too much at least. They had worked hard enough to get GS made. I've changed it to "The Feral Bond." I was reluctant, but the name simply flows better. By the time you read this, it will probably be up.
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