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Post by lordhowl on Jan 25, 2010 1:07:10 GMT -5
Never have werewolf-dog relations been worse than in Ginger Snaps.
It used to be in werewolf movies that dogs would recognize and bark at werewolves. This is sometimes true of other animals. Such as, in "An American Werewolf in London" a cat hisses at David on the night of the full moon.
Now I haven't seen many werewolf movies. GS, looks to take the enmity far further. It isn't just a matter of recognition, werewolf and dogs actually despise each other, with the dogs coming out far worse for it. Some people actually list the dog killings as their main reason for disliking the film. The Beast of Bailey Downs actually hunts dogs. Ginger kills Norman and Morley (Trina's dog).
The BoBD looked to me to be slacking its blood thirst between full moons by hunting dogs instead of people. This suggests to me that it knew very well that killing a person would lead to an all out hunt for it. So, it still had some intelligence and understanding of humans.
Until the full moon when it lost its mind.
Perhaps they couldn't catch it because it was hunting in human or intermediate form? Baxter's body suggests that to me.
I mean, Baxter did not fight. There are no wounds in the front of his body, while the rear of his body was torn apart. He had to have known it was coming. It means to me that poor Baxter had to be cowering. I picture him facing away from it in the back of his doghouse, probably trying to dig out the back when it took hold of him.
He was killed quickly, though, to keep it quiet. Probably it gripped him by the lower spine and gave a quick snap.
The gate was bent up and splattered with blood afterward to make it look like the beast tore it open by brute force. It was probably closed with a simple latch.
Werewolves don't have hands with opposible thumbs, definitely, but the ones on Ginger looked like they were prehensile. It could have definitely done these things.
Or, maybe the BoBD was bitten just the previous full moon and hadn't changed completely yet? Maybe Baxter knew him, or he was actually in that household?
It turned out, Ginger was slacking her blood thirst in the same way, ("I kill pets, Bee . . . "). So, it looks like mutilating animals, especially dogs, is a stage here. It's something that she did short of killing people. Maybe it's that dogs are just ubiquitous . . . and don't stay quite when they recognize a werewolf.
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Post by Boehlke on Jan 30, 2010 19:54:45 GMT -5
An interesting take, and a lot of maybes and questions.
I for one would think of the lines of Vampire: The requiem...Think animal form. For the ones who does not know this:
Real dogs, be it small chihuahuas or how that crazy little football dog is spelled, to the bigger 50 kg + heavy dogs, these dogs are sometimes hostile towards each other, sometimes not. It's all about establishing dominance. When having in mind that they wanted a more "real" for a lack of better words, approach on the film. The dog Baxter would not be able to sense the supernatural, or in this case the werewolf as anything else than another dog, or human. Then, why should the dog fight? The dog vs werewolf wrestle would be a quick match, not much time to fight back at all.
Again I draw parallels to V:TR. Humanity. As seen in Gingers final stage, she does seem to recall her sister. Hence, why the werewolf hunts other animals. It is somehow aware of the dangers of hunting humans, and/or it would be a last resort as some kind of lingering humane intelligence.
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Post by nat on Jan 30, 2010 23:11:41 GMT -5
It's a common trope of literature and film that dog's and cat's sense evil.
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Post by Boehlke on Jan 31, 2010 7:19:04 GMT -5
It's a common trope of literature and film that dog's and cat's sense evil. Indeed, Ginger Snaps is anything but, though. Besides, who's to say the werewolf is evil? Because it kills? Hah, that's a laugh. It might just be another animal, though a bit... err... weird?
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Post by nat on Jan 31, 2010 7:22:25 GMT -5
Naturally. The way I see it, film makers have been ripping GS off since forever. They just didn't know it.
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Post by Boehlke on Jan 31, 2010 7:25:38 GMT -5
Heh, they have been ripping GS off? How so?
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Post by nat on Jan 31, 2010 7:29:10 GMT -5
I don't know. I've been up for going on 29 hours. Logic is foreign to me.
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Post by Boehlke on Jan 31, 2010 7:40:39 GMT -5
Ah, I see. Well! Good luck with that
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Post by nat on Jan 31, 2010 7:42:48 GMT -5
Thank you. I'm probably going to pass out soon, but till then I'm going to make the most of it.
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Post by lordhowl on Jan 31, 2010 10:52:33 GMT -5
It's a common trope of literature and film that dog's and cat's sense evil. Indeed, Ginger Snaps is anything but, though. Besides, who's to say the werewolf is evil? Because it kills? Hah, that's a laugh. It might just be another animal, though a bit... err... weird? A werewolf has to stay evil in my book. Otherwise, it just becomes some kind of super-power. It isn't just an animal, it's a rabid animal that's constantly angry, loves to kill and probably loves to spread the curse. It's arguable whether it has to kill in order to live. In Ghost's basement, Brigitte wolf seemed quite vigorous. Now, Ginger Snaps tries to make it sound more scientific at first, but maybe it's a curse that mimics a disease? Werewolf stories have always seemed unfair, because the person really did nothing to deserve it-- just like somebody with a disease. Even so, I think any animal that notices the scent knows that there is something terribly wrong about the person. Evil? I don't know. It could be that they merely find it very disturbing. It's so disturbing for dogs that they think everyone should know about it.
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Post by lordhowl on Jan 31, 2010 11:08:41 GMT -5
An interesting take, and a lot of maybes and questions. [snip] Real dogs, be it small chihuahuas or how that crazy little football dog is spelled, to the bigger 50 kg + heavy dogs, these dogs are sometimes hostile towards each other, sometimes not. It's all about establishing dominance. When having in mind that they wanted a more "real" for a lack of better words, approach on the film. The dog Baxter would not be able to sense the supernatural, or in this case the werewolf as anything else than another dog, or human. Then, why should the dog fight? The dog vs werewolf wrestle would be a quick match, not much time to fight back at all. There's no way the dog would see it as another dog, I'm sorry. I can't buy that werewolves smell just like dogs to them. Nor is it likely to me that they would ignore what their vision was telling them and treat it like another dog. I believe you could describe it maybe as: they find it disturbing, and probably in some way, offensive. It has a sense of self-preservation, and it has a memory of being human and knowledge of what humans are like. It retains intelligence, but it's insane, and hellbent.
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Post by Boehlke on Jan 31, 2010 11:18:17 GMT -5
I get the way you think. But I don't see why that has to be, on regards of all your points.
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Post by lordhowl on Feb 1, 2010 12:43:11 GMT -5
I get the way you think. But I don't see why that has to be, on regards of all your points. Of course not, this is fantasy. None of it "has to be" until it becomes part of the story. However, as a writer, I automatically will try to put in a subtext that gives a story like GS shape. Anything I say is just an alternate idea to what you say, even if I sound rigid about it.
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Post by Boehlke on Feb 1, 2010 13:32:14 GMT -5
Haha, then in some backwards manner, we agree
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