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Post by lordhowl on Dec 16, 2009 19:27:42 GMT -5
Yeh, you gotta feel sorry for the poor guy. I just loved the part where B begs her to stop and says he hasn't done anything, and Ginger just looks at her, then says "I don't like the way he looks at you!" Alot of the people I talk to seem to think the sisterly bond is mostly on Brigitte's part, but if you watch Ginger carfully you can see she's kinda obsessed with B too. Oh, Ginger felt it, too. Like the way she was ready to tear into Sam when they both made a surprise visit. And, yes, she was standing toe-to-toe and was ready to clean his clock. She was protecting her sister. Her dedication to Brigitte was something that lycanthropia twisted. Toward the end, any solution to any complex human problem was tear something to bits. But Ginger started out with a very flawed vision of devotion, so that makes her more of a classically tragic character than merely a doomed one.
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Post by lordhowl on Dec 16, 2009 19:41:46 GMT -5
I meant everything else she said is kinda hard to understand. I mean seriously, did anyone else think she called Brigitte "Love-muff"? 'Cause that's just strange and disturbing. On another note, one of the cool things about that scene is that Brigitte is trying to save Trina. It's a nice insight into her character, she hates Trina, but she doesn't want her to die. Unlike Ginger. That was after Ginger "snapped" on the field and beat Trina. In fact, there was a "snap" on the soundtrack when it happens. Nothing Ginger says or does after that point is sane. But the interesting thing is, she snapped when Trina knocked Bee down. But what does she say during that scene? Here are some things I remember. First, right before the scene, Trina says, "You're as big a c*nt as your sister." and which Bee answers, "No I'm not!" If you caught that. Here are some quotes I remember: "You play with your new friends, and I'll play with mine." "You smell yummy. What is that? Orange scent? or antiseptic?" "She's doing your bone, hon, I wouldn't get to friendly." (?) "You chose Sam over me. Anything that happens from here is your fault." Plucking the ring out: "He's wrong, moron, you can't fix this." "I'm going way far from where you live, which fucking rocks."
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Post by lordhowl on Dec 16, 2009 20:23:13 GMT -5
The beginning and the end were my favorite parts, but especially the end.
Listening to Brigitte's last words, "I'm not dying in this room with you. I'm not dying." Why would she hysterically scream out that she is not dying IN THIS ROOM with Ginger?
I realized that an argument between the two girls at the beginning was resolved in the last scene. And it was about the oath. Notice how reluctant Brigitte was in the first scene to take Ginger's hand? And when she does, she adds "United against life as we know it."
The two don't see eye-to-eye about that oath. And the two have completely different concepts of devotion that are tested in the film. Brigitte was not going to follow Ginger into suicide, but she was willing to die for her.
The oath comes up again in the hallway, and listen to what is said then, and you'll realize that it's the theme of the movie. Ginger's downfall was a suicidal idea of devotion, which the werewolfism then twisted. This means Ginger is not a doomed character, but a tragic one, in the classical sense of it. By the last scenes, Ginger wanted to force Brigitte to become a werewolf-- give up her humanity, virtually commit suicide like her. Brigitte's devotion didn't bend that way.
That being said, there are many cool scenes in this movie. But I loved the sad ending. And how it tied back to a theme presented in the beginning. You just don't expect that in a horror movie.
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Post by nat on Dec 30, 2009 1:36:19 GMT -5
You bring up a good point, most horror isn't deep or mentally engaging at all. The last really intelligent horror movies I saw was Let the Right One in. And hardly anyone in the states has seen it, and if they did, they probably got the version with the shitty subtitles.
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Post by lordhowl on Dec 30, 2009 10:44:05 GMT -5
You bring up a good point, most horror isn't deep or mentally engaging at all. The last really intelligent horror movies I saw was Let the Right One in. And hardly anyone in the states has seen it, and if they did, they probably got the version with the shitty subtitles. I could think of a few others that are deep and mentally engaging, but none dealt with anything near the everyday themes that this one did. A few others: John Carpenter's "The Thing." If you could actually stop to watch it, you'd see a chess game between the alien and MacReady. It took me a decade to realize how complex that ending is. "The Shining." But it could have fooled me, because Kubrick took that book and inserted a whole different story into it. You would never think it would be about oppression of the indians, but that is really the subtext.
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Post by sophielovessam on May 8, 2010 11:26:58 GMT -5
My favourite part in GS1 has to be ANY bit with Sam in it especially when theyre all in the parking lot after school and he drives up and gives Jason the drugs and says nothing and just completely ignores Trina, then when hes backing out of the parking lot he notices B and Ginge and holds their gaze for a while, because thats the first time we see hiss beautiful face I liked the bit in the kitchen where Trina dies because I could actually feel it as if I was in the girls position, the feeling of like how much shit they would be in. One thing im confused about is when Trina is like 'Just once someone shouldnt give that Fucker the satisfaction!' I dont know if shes reffering to the dog or Sam because I was reading quotes somewhere and it said she was reffering to Sam, but how was she on the subject of the dog and then quickly jumps to Sam.. hmmm?
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Post by lordhowl on May 8, 2010 18:10:25 GMT -5
My favourite part in GS1 has to be ANY bit with Sam in it especially when theyre all in the parking lot after school and he drives up and gives Jason the drugs and says nothing and just completely ignores Trina, then when hes backing out of the parking lot he notices B and Ginge and holds their gaze for a while, because thats the first time we see hiss beautiful face I liked the bit in the kitchen where Trina dies because I could actually feel it as if I was in the girls position, the feeling of like how much shit they would be in. One thing im confused about is when Trina is like 'Just once someone shouldnt give that Fucker the satisfaction!' I dont know if shes reffering to the dog or Sam because I was reading quotes somewhere and it said she was reffering to Sam, but how was she on the subject of the dog and then quickly jumps to Sam.. hmmm? That scene in the backyard was very much altered from how it was originally written, mostly due to budget. This is the way it was supposed to go: Trina has dog, Morley. She supposed to look utterly battered and bleeding through her bandages from her previous fight with Ginger and is there as Sam drops Brigitte off at her home. Trina intercepts her. They have that dialog (except for "Where's my dog . . . Ginger took my dog, I saw her" part). The she sicks her dog on Brigitte. Ginger is able to fly out the back door, intercept the dog, break its neck and split it open. She then drags Trina in and tells Brigitte to hide the dog's body before she comes in. So, Trina was more like an instigator in that scene. She sicked her dog on Brigitte, and the conversation was more clearly a jealous fight. But, they couldn't afford Ginger's super speed and strength that scene, they couldn't afford the dog and the dog wrangler, and they only afford one little band-aid for Trina. That's so sad. That's the reason for the awkward jump, but Trina was talking about Sam. I mean it's essentially a jealous fight. It's not clear if Sam was ever involved with Trina, or if he had the background Trina claims. I'm inclined to think that Trina was lying, that Sam never called her. In my story on fanfiction.net, Ginger Snaps: The Feral Bond, the Fitzgerald sisters disagree over Sam's character and whether he ever dated Trina or not. In the original script, it's plain that he did.
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Post by †Wicky Wicked† on May 9, 2010 4:02:34 GMT -5
Wow the original scene sounds so much cooler, too bad they couldn't do that. I also think Trina was talking about Sam and that she was lying that they were involved.
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Post by sophielovessam on May 9, 2010 7:45:23 GMT -5
Yeah, Trina was all crazy and jacked up whenever she came demanding her dog so she could have been talking about anything :L Sam and Trina probably had a thing but not how Trina would have wanted it like an actual relationship.
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Post by lordhowl on May 9, 2010 10:37:53 GMT -5
Wow the original scene sounds so much cooler, too bad they couldn't do that. I also think Trina was talking about Sam and that she was lying that they were involved. Yes, the party scene was so much cooler, too. This movie needed just one scene showing Ginger's preternatural strength and speed to have been perfect, and awesome. The party scene was so much cooler, too. They couldn't do it right either because they only had about 1/4 (I think more like 1/6th) of the budget needed for the film. Considering how much they thought they would have and how little they actually had to work with, this was really a superior film. Also in the original "woulda, coulda" script, Ginger takes the knife away from Trina, who then steps back and slips and hits her head on the counter. I like that better just because Trina with a butcher knife should not be a match for Ginger.
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Post by lordhowl on May 9, 2010 10:45:21 GMT -5
Yeah, Trina was all crazy and jacked up whenever she came demanding her dog so she could have been talking about anything :L Sam and Trina probably had a thing but not how Trina would have wanted it like an actual relationship. I actually think Ginger nabbed her dog. She was holding the leash, she had a reason to be drawn to the Fitzgerald house, not just because she wanted a word with Brigitte, but seeing Brigitte set her off. In the original, though, she was actually trying to hurt Brigitte. Sicking a dog like Morley on her is beyond mean, you do that when you want a person dead. And Ginger's response was a bit more in proportion.
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Post by sophielovessam on May 9, 2010 13:00:59 GMT -5
yeah, trina really was a bitch and she was probably pretty jealous of the Fitzgeral sisters but tried not to show it.
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Post by sophielovessam on May 30, 2010 22:08:29 GMT -5
remember lordhowl whenever i was trying to figure out if Trina was referring to her dog or Sam? Well it was Sam, because in the deleted scenes i posted Brigette says ''your blaming me? you the cherry hound!'' and in the backyard scene Trina says, ''he's a cherry hound, he's into virgins'' meaning a boy or man that likes to have sex with virgins. And it was funny when i looked that up on Urban Dictionary it gave the bit which sounded a bit like that scene from Ginger Snaps as an example, ''He doessn't like you, he's a cherry hound!'' funny eh?
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Post by lordhowl on May 31, 2010 0:29:18 GMT -5
remember lordhowl whenever i was trying to figure out if Trina was referring to her dog or Sam? Well it was Sam, because in the deleted scenes i posted Brigette says ''your blaming me? you the cherry hound!'' and in the backyard scene Trina says, ''he's a cherry hound, he's into virgins'' meaning a boy or man that likes to have sex with virgins. And it was funny when i looked that up on Urban Dictionary it gave the bit which sounded a bit like that scene from Ginger Snaps as an example, ''He doessn't like you, he's a cherry hound!'' funny eh? Actually, it sounds like they lifted it directly from GS. Dictionaries will note the exact reference. They generally won't compose an example, they'll quote an example. I believe the whole like is, "He doesn't like you. He's a cherry hound. He's into virgins." Deleted scenes are "maybe they dreamt it" compared with the rest of the movie. I am curious. After you saw the deleted scenes, do you think he was?
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Post by sophielovessam on May 31, 2010 8:24:23 GMT -5
I don't think Sam was really what everyone saw him as. l think he genuinely wanted to help B. Sure he probably messed around with Trina but probably because he knew how slutty and stupid she was. But mabye he had strong feelings for Brigette. He was never like, sleazy or anything and was always really focused on finding a cure, because at the start he thought it was her who had been bit and wanted to help. Even when he found out it was Ginger he still wanted to help because he knew how close they were.
But when Trina says, ''He doesn't like you. He's a cherry hound. He's into virgins.'' did she seriously think B wasn't a virgin or what? Because I thought what she had sort of been implying in the movie that Brigette was a virgin, or is that just me who gets that vibe?
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Post by lordhowl on May 31, 2010 10:18:55 GMT -5
I don't think Sam was really what everyone saw him as. l think he genuinely wanted to help B. Sure he probably messed around with Trina but probably because he knew how slutty and stupid she was. But mabye he had strong feelings for Brigette. He was never like, sleazy or anything and was always really focused on finding a cure, because at the start he thought it was her who had been bit and wanted to help. Even when he found out it was Ginger he still wanted to help because he knew how close they were. But when Trina says, ''He doesn't like you. He's a cherry hound. He's into virgins.'' did she seriously think B wasn't a virgin or what? Because I thought what she had sort of been implying in the movie that Brigette was a virgin, or is that just me who gets that vibe? That's a different way of looking at Trina's statement, Sophie, but I think the way Trina must have meant it was that Sam would discard Brigitte after she was no longer a virgin, as Trina implied had happened to her. That's what she meant in saying "He doesn't like you.In my story, Brigitte thinks that Trina was not telling the truth at all. In fact, she had never had an encounter with Sam, he had her number, but had never called it. (I know what the deleted scenes implied, but they were deleted.) Ginger thinks Trina was truthful about him discarding her after she was no longer a virgin. The first one might have been happening. Why would jealousy-racked Trina be truthful with Brigitte, then? She hated Brigitte. However, it's quite possible that Sam did have that flaw, but he was able to shed it for Brigitte. I'm glad they cut some scenes and left it ambiguous, though.
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Post by sophielovessam on May 31, 2010 11:07:19 GMT -5
Aaaaah! Never thought of that first bit that way! Thanks!
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Post by lordhowl on Jun 1, 2010 0:02:42 GMT -5
Aaaaah! Never thought of that first bit that way! Thanks! Actually, upon another viewing of GS, I heard some lines I could not hear before for some reason. In the scene where Sam first drives up. It's apparent in that scene that Sam, never called Trina. It is not that he called her sometime then stopped; he never called her. That means more than likely Trina lied in saying they were ever involved. Though she might have thrown herself at him and maybe something happened as a result, that Sam regretted. But she was likely lying about them ever having been involved, and it the fact that she could not attract him probably drove her insane.
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Post by john on Jul 27, 2010 15:11:26 GMT -5
I think I posted a link to the thread.... The upsetting thing was, it was convincing. There are alot of sexual undertones to their relationship. Particularly in the drafts. And I believe "swapping juice" refers to the exchange of blood and thus infection. Lycanthropic lesbian incest FTW!
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Post by john on Jul 27, 2010 15:19:41 GMT -5
Eddie? Who in the heck is Eddie?! I wonder where ruadragon has gone to.. Oh wait, I just found her facebook haha.
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